Liam Wilson of Dillinger Escape Plan talks Psychedelics, Terence McKenna, Robert Anton Wilson, Sensory Deprivation, Meditation, Culture and Parenthood


“How much do I tone back my progressive hippiness to be a ‘good parent’, do you even?”

Amazing interview into the insight of a member who doesn’t take the spotlight as much as his band mates.

Always appreciate when metal community figures talk psychedelics, and there are a ton of topics he discussed that I can associate with very strongly.

This was my first exposure to Midwest Real Podcast as well and I was very impressed with the interviewers techinque and also knowledge of the subjects being spoken. I will check all their output from here on out and suggest you do the same.

Midwest Real Podcast 




Charles Manson – The Original Environmentalist

“I’d like to clean up the water, i’d like to go up into the mountains… start at the top of the mountains clean all the springs up. Take all the pollution out of the water so I can drink it… Clean up all the to the ocean, and then maybe we might be able to save a little air and water for our children…” – Charles Manson

“When I see the deserts dying, the bees are dying, the birds cant live, and trees are dying… smog is killing everything. I say ‘Wow, where is my life on this planet? Can I survive on this planet earth?” I care about Life” – Charles Manson

“Life is worth more than money and business man… you know, its like the world is dieing and your saying ‘Let me show you my new dance!#@##%#” – Charles Manson

“I understand the relationship of life on earth.. I can understand that bugs commuincate, I can understand that trees can hear you. I respect and understand that there are other life forms besides myself.. and I see birds, and bugs and trees and the I get locked up, when I get back out… all these birds, bugs and trees are gone.” – Charles Manson




The Mysterious Life of Walter Pahnke

Dr. Walter Pahnke’s (not-so) long strange trip

Documentary filmmaker Susan Gervasi stands at the Georgetown site where noted

psychedelic drug researcher Dr. Walter Pahnke disappeared 39 years ago. Pahnke

entered the water to go scuba diving and never returned. Authorities presume that

he drowned.

(Troy R. Bennett / The Times Record)

Film explores local link to psychedelic drug guru

By Seth Koenig, Times Record Staff


Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT

GEORGETOWN — Nearly 40 years after Dr. Walter Pahnke vanished off the

Georgetown coast, documentary filmmaker Susan Gervasi is retracing the steps of

the once controversial psychedelic researcher.

The Maryland woman visited the island town earlier this month, stayed in Pahnke’s

former waterfront home and interviewed local residents who remembered the

doctor’s disappearance in 1971.

The documentary comes as Pahnke’s legacy experiences a revival — decades after

backlash over recreational drug use made clinical use taboo. New research is now

being conducted to study the doctor’s theories about the therapeutic values of

psychedelic drugs for cancer patients.

Pahnke didn’t live long enough to appreciate the extent of his impact. On a clear July

day in 1971, Pahnke, trying scuba diving for the first time, went underwater several

feet from the shoreline rocks near his house. He never came back up. Gervasi

believes she can identify the spot where he went under based on old photographs

Pahnke’s now adult daughter gave her.

“There was quite a rescue effort, but nothing was ever discovered,” Gervasi said.

“Nothing at all.” The filmmaker acknowledges that there has since been “wild speculation”

about what became of the 40-year-old Pahnke — “that he went underwater and ran away

to somewhere, or that he took his own life.” But after traveling the country extensively

researching the man, Gervasi has joined the many who believe Pahnke simply died in

a tragic diving accident.

‘A heroic James Dean sort’

In the years before his disappearance, Pahnke worked during the week at the

Maryland Psychiatric Research Center. Then, famously clad in black leather, he would

ride his motorcycle to Georgetown on weekends. A contemporary of 1960s LSD

experimentation guru Dr. Timothy Leary, Pahnke would stay for a few days at a time

with his wife and three kids, enjoying the natural privacy of Maine’s coast.

“I sort of see Wally as a heroic James Dean sort,” said Gervasi of the enigmatic


Pahnke was fixated on the connections between “mystical” religious experiences and

psychedelic drugs. He became a certified minister, physician and psychiatrist through

Harvard University’s prestigious academic programs.

He was best known for what’s called the “Good Friday Experiment,” conducted in

April 1962 as part of his doctoral thesis on religion.

Prior to the Good Friday service at the Boston University Marsh Chapel that year,

volunteer divinity students from the Boston area split into two groups. The members

of one group were given doses of psilocybin — a drug produced by hallucinogenic

mushrooms — while members of the other group were given placebos.

Nine out of the 10 students given the psychedelic drug reported “profound religious

experiences,” offering Pahnke what he took to be empirical evidence that psilocybin is

a reliable trigger for spiritual awakenings.

Pahnke’s experiment fell under the umbrella of the Harvard Psilocybin Project, run in

part by Leary, who was on the school’s faculty at the time. But further studies like the

“Miracle at Marsh Chapel” would soon be blacklisted.

Harvard fired Leary and fellow researcher Richard Alpert in the face of accusations

that their work was “unscientific and irresponsible,” according to an account

published in the Harvard Crimson.

Leary and Alpert rose in prominence as the 1960s grew into a decade known for its

cultural divisions and controversies over drug use.

In a front page editorial at the time, the school newspaper exemplified the growing

institutional sentiment against the type of research Pahnke was most interested in,

writing that “Harvard has disassociated itself not only from flagrant dishonesty but

also from behavior that is spreading infection throughout the academic community.”

Psilocybin was soon declared to be a dangerous substance and outlawed by the U.S.

Drug Enforcement Agency.

‘Frozen in time’

In 1963, as Harvard cut ties with his increasingly famous mentors, Pahnke traveled to

Europe to pursue his interests. William Richards met Pahnke in Germany that year at

a clinic run by Dr. Hanscarl Leuner, who Richards recalled as “one of the primary

European researchers of psychedelic substances at the time.”

Richards and Pahnke became close friends and colleagues. Richards wrote in an e-

mail to The Times Record that Pahnke was the best man at his wedding in 1966. In

1967, the two moved together to Baltimore to work on federally funded investigations

of psychedelics. In 1971, Richards spoke at Pahnke’s memorial service.

“Wally was an exceptionally brilliant man with impeccable integrity,” wrote Richards

in the e-mail. “He was intensely interested in the interface between psychiatry and


Gervasi noted that it has taken decades for scientific research into psychedelic drugs

to become acceptable again, and “even now, it remains controversial.”

In 2006, Richards was part of a Johns Hopkins University team that built off Pahnke’s

Good Friday Experiment. According to a university announcement at the time,

researchers completed a landmark study showing that psilocybin triggers “spiritual

experiences descriptively identical to spontaneous ones people have reported for


“A vast gap exists between what we know of these drugs — mostly from descriptive

anthropology — and what we believe we can understand using modern clinical

pharmacology techniques,” Dr. Roland Griffiths, a professor at the school, said in a

statement at the time. “That gap is large because, as a reaction to the excesses of

the 1960s, human research with hallucinogens has been basically frozen in time

these last 40 years.”

Griffiths described the study as being a first step toward a greater understanding of

how, in a tightly controlled setting, psychedelic drugs might be used to “ultimately

help people.”

‘Profoundly valued’

Now, said Richards, “the work (Pahnke) and I did with cancer patients in the late

1960s and early 1970s continues at Johns Hopkins,” where volunteers who have been

diagnosed with cancer are sought for studies on psilocybin’s potential therapeutic


Though the follow-up research was a long time coming, Richards said “his vision of

the value of the responsible use of psychedelic drugs” and “the contributions he

made in his brief life are profoundly valued by many.”

Looking back at Pahnke’s life, Richards described a risk-taker whose insistence on

pushing the limits helped him break new scientific ground, but might also have killed


“He lived life ‘very fast,’ trying to squeeze as many experiences into a day as possible,

as if he intuited somehow that his life would be briefer than he hoped,” Richards

wrote in his e-mail to The Times Record. “Brilliant though he was, Wally was stupid

and impulsive enough not to wait a few more minutes for his wife to join him, and to

dive into the Atlantic alone in scuba gear. This was not a suicidal gesture — he was

not depressed. After a history of accidents skiing, this appears to have been the ‘last

straw.’ He continues to be loved and missed.”

“I am in interested individual people who do very strong work” – M. Gira

“It’s best to do your work, care about your work and if you find an audience… that’s good”

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Opening The Doors To Creativity

Riding The Range – Marshall Mcluhan – Terence McKenna

Physicist – Nick Herbert





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George Carlin – Illusions, Delusions and Consensus Reality